From Defend Our Freedoms.org; Dr. Orly Taitz, of California, has published an open letter to Congress. The first two paragraphs are as follows:
Dear Senators and Congressmen:
Thank you for taking the time to review the documentation relevant to the Constitutional legitimacy of the presidency Barack Obama. There have been various problems with the vetting of Mr. Obama throughout the campaign and the present. I’d like to take the opportunity to highlight the most pertinent and alarming issues that have been clearly revealed. I’m sure you will agree that this information must be further investigated promptly before any damage is done to the United States and its citizens—beyond the Constitutional compromises that currently exist. Most interesting, though, is the fact that Mr. Obama has not simply ordered the original vault copy of his birth certificate to be sealed and chosen to retain three (3) law firms to defend the various cases—spending a reported $800,000 (of whose money?). If Mr. Obama has nothing to hide, then why fight the more than 42 cases in federal courts alone (According to Justia) and similar number in state courts of which the merits are well-founded and substantiated through factual evidence, state and federal statutes, and international laws. Main issue is that the state of HI, according to statue 338 allows Foreign born children of Hawaiian residents to obtain Hawaiian birth certificates and obtain them based on a statement of one relative only. There is plenty of evidence of Mr. Obama being born in Kenya and obtaining his Hawaiian birth certificate based on a statement of his grandparent only, who simply didn’t want to deal with immigration and not based on any records from any hospitals. Extensive searches in the State of Hawaii showed no birthing records for his mother Ann Dunham in any hospital in Hawaii.
I would also like to schedule a meeting with you, for which I will fly to Washington, D.C. to personally meet with you in the short term. Having been raised in the former Soviet Union, I am no stranger to horrors of communism, totalitarianism, civilian labor camp rule and I see clearly the path Mr. Obama is taking the United States. It is a downward spiral of total destruction of the constitution and economic infrastructure of this country. I urge you to look at the information thoroughly. Americans need to know that their president is a legitimate president and that their senators and representatives are upholding their oaths:
I hope that you take the time to read the full letter: http://defendourfreedoms.org/SenatorThuneEtAl1.htm.
Dr. Taitz raises an important question here; Whose money is being spent on this, unnecessary, court fight? I most sincerely hope that it isn’t tax payer money. The income of the Obama household isn’t enough to cover the cost of the legal fight.
All that the, newly elected, President has to do is send one lawyer to court, with the birth certificate, and settle the matter. What he has done, however, is hire a team of lawyers to cover up his past, which raises even more suspicions.
It was leaked, from Occidental College, that the nationality, on his admission records, was listed as Indonesian. You can read the law suit, in PDF, of the Occidental case; Download PDF, and read the other cases at United States Justice Foundation.
One problem, that many have overlooked, is that any legislation, signed by an illegitimate President, can be challenged in court. Any legislation, passed by Congress, must be signed into law by the President. If the President is not qualified, the legislation is void.
No one is above the law and the President is not the king. Mr. Obama has a duty, and responsibility to prove his natural born status. I have to carry a copy of my birth certificate, and DD 214, to gain entry to ports, and prove my citizenship, under the new system of Fascism.
I am not a servant of government, it is to serve me. Mr. Obama should live under the same rules. Requiring individuals to show proof of citizenship, in the normal conduct of business, is un-constitutional. The President meeting the requirements of his office is the law.
The Obama Administration requires applicants to produce much invasive information to qualify for employment. The questionnaire asks about the personal matters of family members, and even, gun ownership. You can view the questionnaire in PDF, from the government web site. If the Obama Administration can require so much information, of employees, he should be able to produce one, common, document.
Article 2, Section 1, Paragraph 4, of the united States Constitution states; No Person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained the age of thirty five years, and been fourteen Years a resident within the United States.
Let’s take a stand for the Constitution, without it, we live under authoritarianism. We have been, for many years, living under common law, and authoritarianism, and it is time to return to the rule of law; The United States Constitution.
Please take time to sign the petition, requiring Mr. Obama, to produce his birth certificate: http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=81550
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Re: “statue 338 allows Foreign born children of Hawaiian residents to obtain Hawaiian birth certificates and obtain them based on a statement of one relative only.”
Statute 338 was not enacted in 1961 when Obama was born, yet he received a birth certificate with four days of his birth.
Even today Statute 338 does not allow someone to obtain a Hawaii birth certificate that says “Born in Hawaii” if she or he was born somewhere else than Hawaii.
Re: It was leaked, from Occidental College, that the nationality, on his admission records, was listed as Indonesian.
If true, it is wrong. That is to say, if Occidental thought that he was Indonesian, it was wrong.
It is easy to find out, all you have to do is call the Indonesian Embassy in Washington, and they will tell you that he was never a citizen of Indonesia. The number is (202) 775-5200.
It is established fact that Barrack Obama attended two schools in Indonesia. To attend school in Indonesia, in the 1960′s, one had to be a citizen of Indonesia.
The school records from Indonesia lists his name as Barry Soetoro, shows his religion as Muslim, eventhough one of the schools was Catholic, and lists his nationality as Indonesian.
Ann Dunham, his mother, divorced Barrack Obama, his father, and married Lolo Soetoro, a citizen of Indonesia.
Barrack Obama used an Indonesian passport, as Barry Soetoro, until his time in the Senate, at which time, he began to use a diplomatic passpart.
Another problem: Why would a prominate U.S. citizen use an Indonesian passport.
Barrack Obama/ Barry Soetoro has used so many aliases that the people of this country don’t even know who that voted for.
Mr. Obama needs to do the responable thing and clear this matter up.
Being as the law requires natural born status, none of the issues matter. he needs to comply with the law.
It is established fact that Barrack Obama attended two schools in Indonesia. To attend school in Indonesia, in the 1960’s, one had to be a citizen of Indonesia.
Who told you that? I have said, and I repeat, if you call up the Indonesian Embassy and ask whether Obama was ever an Indonesian citizen, they will tell you No. If you ask if he ever had an Indonesian passport, they will tell you NO.
Here is the telephone number: (202) 775 – 5200.
There is a possible/probably explanation of how Obama attended two schools in Indonesia even though he was not an Indonesian citizen: His mother and stepfather lied about him being an Indonesian citizen. BUT that does not make him an Indonesian citizen.
He was born in Hawaii. The official birth document from Hawaii, the Certification of Live Birth, shows that he was born in Honolulu. There is nothing in Hawaiian law that allows a Certification of Live Birth to say “born in Honolulu” when someone is not born in Honolulu.
Re: “Barrack Obama used an Indonesian passport, as Barry Soetoro, until his time in the Senate, at which time, he began to use a diplomatic passpart.”
Who told you that? That is wrong too. He was never an Indonesian citizen so he never had an Indonesian passport, which the Indonesian embassy will confirm.
Moreover, to make it even more absurd, he had to get from Hawaii to Indonesia–what did he do that on, an Indonesian passport? Then, he had to get back from Indonesia to Hawaii. If, as you say, he traveled on an Indonesian passport, he would have had to get a US VISA to travel to Hawaii–and what kind of visa, a student visa?? In any case, if he had to get a visa, the record of the visa would be easy for anyone to find in the US State Department and the US Embassy in Jakarta Indonesia. It would have been found long ago, during the election campaign.
The answer is: (1) He never had an Indonesian passport; (2) He traveled on a US passport.
When BHO’s mother married Lolo soetoro; do you not think that he was with his mother in Indonesia?
While in Indonesia; did he not attend school?
Obama’s grandmother says he was born in Kenya:
This is why the press wouldn’t talk to her while she was here for the inauguratio.
I suppose that you will also deny that he was ever in Pakistan.
This issue that I raised in this blog is the amount of money being spent, by Obama, to keep his college, and birth records sealed and out of public view.
I want to know who is paying for it. Can you answer that?
http://wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=86325
I was really surprised by some of my so called Christian, and conservative friends, when they were willing to turn a blind eye to the crimes of the Bush Adminstration.
they were taken in by his redneck, good ol’ boy demeaner.
I and thought how sad they were.
You Obama people are even sadder and more desperate. I do not understan how grown up people can invest themselves, so deeply, in someone whom they don’t even know, and doesn’t really care for them.
I have met a number of celebrities, and ploiticians over the years. Early on, I was surprised to see that their real life personalities didn’t fit their public images.
The reason is that the public persona is created for them by public relations people.
The public image is fake.
We live in a society were the people can not destinguish between reality, and the created propaganda of the media.
Barrack Obama might be your false idol, but to me, he is just another pig slopping at the public trough.
There is reasonable doubt as to his birth place and he needs to settle the matter.
I have been in the position of hiring and firing employees at my company. Now, who did I ever hire, and not check their credentials?
BHO is willing to spend 1 million dollars to keep his past hidden. I as a tax paying citizen have a right to know where the money is coming from, and what it is that is being kept hidden.
BHO is a public servent and he works for me.
Re: When BHO’s mother married Lolo soetoro; do you not think that he was with his mother in Indonesia?
While in Indonesia; did he not attend school?
Yes but he had to get from Hawaii to Indonesia. How did he get from Hawaii to Indonesia? ON a US PASSPORT!
Re: “Obama’s grandmother says he was born in Kenya:
NO SHE DID NOT SAY THAT HE WAS BORN IN KENYA. In fact, she said that he was born in Hawaii.
Please listen to the complete tape. After the answer to the question was she present WHEN he was born? (which is not clear because a clear question would have been was she present WHERE he was born), the questioner asks a question that cannot be misinterpreted—WHERE WAS HE BORN?—and her answer, and that of the translator, who is also a relative, is “America, Hawaii.” If you listen very closely, you will hear that the translator does NOT know where Obama was born. He asks her. She says something that is difficult to hear. He then says “Hawaii.”
Here is the complete tape; the answer to the question “Where was he born?” occurs at about the five minute mark.
To hear the full recording of the Obama grandmother interview, go to: ?” http://www.obamaconspiracy.org/2009/01/independent-grandmother-transcript/ (Click on full Sarah Obama Tape.)
There are quite a few recordings and transcripts that cut the tape at the five minute mark. It is important to go to the full recording, which runs about nine minutes. You might ask yourself why anyone would want to cut the tape at five minutes when the answer to the question WHERE WAS HE BORN is after five minutes. The answer, sadly, is that they are not anxious for people to make up their own minds, they want to create zealots who believe that Obama is not eligible.
Some say that there are other Kenyan relatives who said that Obama was born in Kenya, but this cannot be proven. Only WND has said this, and WND has not shown the interviews to anyone.
There are no physical documents showing that he was born in Kenya, but the theorists explain this by saying that the Kenya government is part of the conspiracy and that it has blocked access to those documents. The very fact that Kenya had blocked access to certain documents would be possible to prove or disprove. WND’s claim that the files were blocked has not been substantiated by any news agency other than WND.
Re: “This is why the press wouldn’t talk to her while she was here for the inauguratio.”
I haven’t the slightest idea why the press wouldn’t talk to her. Did WND talk with her?
Re “I suppose that you will also deny that he was ever in Pakistan.”
Not at all. He traveled there on a US passport. (It wasn’t illegal for us to travel to Pakistan in 1961, and the Pakistanis did NOT block USA citizens from going there. I even read a 1961 travel article recommending visiting Pakistan).
How do I know that he traveled on a USA passport? Because he NEVER had an Indonesian passport. You can call up the Indonesian Embassy in Washington and ask them. I did. The telephone number is: (202) 775-5200. I recommend asking for the Press Office.
Re: This issue that I raised in this blog is the amount of money being spent, by Obama, to keep his college, and birth records sealed and out of public view. I want to know who is paying for it. Can you answer that?
Answer: Of course I can answer it. It comes from Obama’s campaign funds, much of which was not spent by the end of the election. We Obama supporters contributed hundreds of millions of dollars, and there is more that we can contribute if it is needed!
However, oddly, it isn’t all that much money that is being spent. NO case, except for the one in Hawaii, is solely about obtaining access to Obama’s records—either birth records, Occidental Records, or any other records. All these cases, even the ones that are still going on, were originally about stopping the election, or barring the certification of the election, or stopping the electoral college from voting, or stopping the inauguration. For example, in the Keyes V Bowen case, there are requests for Obama’s college records, but this is done to support a request for a writ of mandate requiring that Bowen, an official in California, be barred from certifying the election until she checks on Obama’s qualifications.
Naturally Obama fought every case that tried to stop the election or stop someone from certifying the election.
And, he has a right not to show his college records. No president ever has, and it would set a bad precedent for future presidents to force them to show their college records. He HAS already posted his official Hawaii birth documents, and it turns out that the Certification of Live Birth, which he has already posted, is the ONLY official birth document that Hawaii issues (There are original birth certificates, but unless you have kept them from the time of birth, you can’t get them any more) these days. How do I know? I asked the Department of Health of Hawaii. You can check, by asking your own questions by e-mail at vr-info@doh.hawaii.gov.
This guy puts it better than I can:
A posting from Andrew Walden, publisher of the Hawaii Free Press, a right-wing blog based in Hawaii.
http://www.hawaiifreepress.com/main/ArticlesMain/tabid/56/articleType/ArticleView/articleId/92/Barack-Obama-Born-in-Hawaii.aspx
Barack Obama: Born in Hawai`i
by Andrew Walden
It is time to focus on REAL issues, not imaginary ones.
A fairly impressive internet industry has sprung up claiming that Obama was born in either Kenya or Indonesia. This is nonsense, which distracts from the broadly unexplored story of Obama’s upbringing. This kind of nonsense has emerged because the McCain campaign chose not to raise the many questions about Barack Obama’s numerous hard-left alliances. Barack Obama was born in Hawai`i, August 4, 1961 at Kapiolani Medical Center in Honolulu.
Obama’s birth certificate posted online is exactly the same birth certificate everybody in Hawai`i gets from the State Department of Health. It is not forged. There is nothing unusual about the design or the texture. In addition to the birth certificate, the August 13, 1961 Honolulu Advertiser also carries an announcement of Obama’s birth. The Honolulu Star-Bulletin also carries the same announcement. Both papers require submission of a copy of the birth certificate to print a birth announcement.
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Re: I as a tax paying citizen have a right to know where the money is coming from, and what it is that is being kept hidden.
As I said, the money is coming from Obama’s campaign finance funds, some of which were left over, and to which I would be willing to contribute more, if necessary.
Re: BHO is a public servant and he works for me.
And me.
Re: I have been in the position of hiring and firing employees at my company. Now, who did I ever hire, and not check their credentials?
Good. If you want to check the credentials of a person born in Hawaii, you will check the Certification of Live Birth because that is what they issue.
So all the questions about why doesn’t he post the long-form birth certificate have two simple answers:
(1) The Certification of Live Birth is THE official birth certificate, it shows that he was born in Hawaii, and it is legally sufficient to prove it; and
(2) Unless he has kept the original birth certificate and not mislaid it, all that he can post is what Hawaii will send him, which is only the Certification of Live Birth, which is what he has already posted.
Now, I suspect you will ask the next logical question, how do I know that Hawaii only sends out the Certification of Live Birth and will NOT send out original birth certificates even if you ask for it? The answer is that I asked them repeatedly, and the answer has always been: “We send out only the Certification of Live Birth.” You can check, by asking your own questions by e-mail at vr-info@doh.hawaii.gov.
The State of Hawaii stands behind its certification. One should sue the state and not the president for this because it is something he cannot control.
But should one sue the president, it is within the Constitution’s legal range to use tax money and defend him. The Attorney General is his chief legal counsel, and so is his top White House counsel.
The State of Hawaii has not been elected President and does not have to prove anything.
The Prsidents records are sealed because he has hired a team of lawyers to keep them sealed.
The Attourney General is the Prosecuter for the nation and is not the Presidents personal counsel.
The citizens of this country have the right of redress of greviences under the First Amendment of the Constitution.
The President is an elected official and must answer to the people.
Did I miss anything?
BTW: Glad to hear from you again Vaughn.
Disagree with you on many points, if not all
The AG is a political appointee, which serves at the pleasure of the president. He is the executive branch’s top legal aid. It was the DoJ that issued the previous White House a memo guideline on torture.
The State certified Obama’s birth certificate as legit. Challenging the legality of to the White House is barking up the wrong tree.
Redress and complain all you can and should, I just hate to see you are yet returning to the fringe. This pseudo-issue is on the same par as Bush’s national guard’s documents. To reprise: Water is already under the bridge, my man.
The president has been elected and must answer to Congress. He will answer to the people when the next election cycle comes around. This is how the real world works, not just for Obama, but Bush, Clinton and all the way back to Washington.
What you miss is an exit strategy: This country had seen many challenges on the legality of a president’s citizenship. I recalled a few presidents in the past faced similar attacks or suspicion in oppo-newspapers. Hamilton used to call Jefferson a French aristocrat. And Aeron Burr referred to Hamilton as a British Crown’s puppy. Just this cycle, things got more heated because of the viability of the internet. No one tells you or should tell you to shut up. We will, however, exercise our Constitutional right to ignore you.
P.S.: I see that you are back beating to the old issue, old friend. It’s a dead horse, I hate to say.
Oh, about the JUstice Department working for the White House, here is a post from the HuffPo regarding another lawsuit at the Obama White House. It was filed by the AP. The last 2 line in the bottom read:
The Justice Department “apparently never got the message” from Obama, Blanton said.
The department defends the government when it is sued.
Time for you to revisit the civics and government books.
Crap. I forgot the link. Can you add this one in with the previous and delete this?
link: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/02/21/obama-administration-tryi_n_168843.html
The AG is as I said. He maybe appointed, but he heads the Justice Departmartment. You may recall an onther position called White House Counsel and you may recall that there has been an issue about that position being misused in the past.
The Constitution sets requirements for eligablity for many positions in government and this is the one for the President.
Article 2, Section 1, Paragraph 4, of the united States Constitution states; No Person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained the age of thirty five years, and been fourteen Years a resident within the United States.
The President is not above the law.
We have corrupt government because the people of this country are corrupt.
We just had 8 years of corruption under Bush and now we are going to have at least 4 years of corruption under Obama for the same reason.
Politicos and sicafants willing to turn a blind eye to treason.
The Prsidents records are sealed because he has hired a team of lawyers to keep them sealed.
Not true.
In Hawaii, the state of Hawaii has privacy regulations which will not allow even the Certification of Live Birth to be released other than to family members, and it will not release the original birth certificate even to the person involved.
How do I know? I asked the Department of Health of Hawaii, and you can check
by asking your own questions by e-mail at vr-info@doh.hawaii.gov.
This guy puts it better than I can:
A posting from Andrew Walden, publisher of the Hawaii Free Press, a right-wing blog based in Hawaii.
http://www.hawaiifreepress.com/main/ArticlesMain/tabid/56/articleType/ArticleView/articleId/92/Barack-Obama-Born-in-Hawaii.aspx
Barack Obama: Born in Hawai`i
by Andrew Walden
It is time to focus on REAL issues, not imaginary ones.
A fairly impressive internet industry has sprung up claiming that Obama was born in either Kenya or Indonesia. This is nonsense, which distracts from the broadly unexplored story of Obama’s upbringing. This kind of nonsense has emerged because the McCain campaign chose not to raise the many questions about Barack Obama’s numerous hard-left alliances. Barack Obama was born in Hawai`i, August 4, 1961 at Kapiolani Medical Center in Honolulu.
Obama’s birth certificate posted online is exactly the same birth certificate everybody in Hawai`i gets from the State Department of Health. It is not forged. There is nothing unusual about the design or the texture. In addition to the birth certificate, the August 13, 1961 Honolulu Advertiser also carries an announcement of Obama’s birth. The Honolulu Star-Bulletin also carries the same announcement. Both papers require submission of a copy of the birth certificate to print a birth announcement.
Re: “The Attourney General is the Prosecuter for the nation and is not the Presidents personal counsel.”
I have already said that the money for the Obama defense is coming from leftover campaign funds.
I have not seen any response to this:
NO SHE DID NOT SAY THAT HE WAS BORN IN KENYA. In fact, she said that he was born in Hawaii.
Please listen to the complete tape. After the answer to the question was she present WHEN he was born? (which is not clear because a clear question would have been was she present WHERE he was born), the questioner asks a question that cannot be misinterpreted—WHERE WAS HE BORN?—and her answer, and that of the translator, who is also a relative, is “America, Hawaii.” If you listen very closely, you will hear that the translator does NOT know where Obama was born. He asks her. She says something that is difficult to hear. He then says “Hawaii.”
Here is the complete tape; the answer to the question “Where was he born?” occurs at about the five minute mark.
To hear the full recording of the Obama grandmother interview, go to: ?” http://www.obamaconspiracy.org/2009/01/independent-grandmother-transcript/ (Click on full Sarah Obama Tape.)
I have not seen any response to this:
Re: “It is established fact that Barrack Obama attended two schools in Indonesia. To attend school in Indonesia, in the 1960’s, one had to be a citizen of Indonesia.”
Who told you that? I have said, and I repeat, if you call up the Indonesian Embassy and ask whether Obama was ever an Indonesian citizen, they will tell you No. If you ask if he ever had an Indonesian passport, they will tell you NO.
Here is the telephone number: (202) 775 – 5200.
I haven’t seen any response to this:
Re “I suppose that you will also deny that he was ever in Pakistan.”
Not at all. He traveled there on a US passport. (It wasn’t illegal for us to travel to Pakistan in 1961, and the Pakistanis did NOT block USA citizens from going there. I even read a 1961 travel article recommending visiting Pakistan).
How do I know that he traveled on a USA passport? Because he NEVER had an Indonesian passport. You can call up the Indonesian Embassy in Washington and ask them. I did. The telephone number is: (202) 775-5200. I recommend asking for the Press Office.
By the way, it was never illegal for US citizens to travel to Pakistan. Pakistan never refused to accept visits from US citizens. In 1981 there were even flights by Pakistan International Airlines from New York to Karachi.
It is all so clear to me now. How silly, I was asking a sensable question.
Yes this explains it all to me now.
If you have a legal birth certificate you should spend $1 million dollars not showing it. Why, it even makes perfectly good sense that you should spend a million dollars, of money that you don’t have, and not say where it came from.
Why, at my next job interview, I’ll just tell my employer that I have the documents, but they are so private, that not even I can get them.
Shame on me; how stupid I was.
I think I will work up a good act of attrtion and feel sorry now.
Hey, would you guys please hold your breath while I do that?
Re: “If you have a legal birth certificate you should spend $1 million dollars not showing it. ”
You should check your facts. NO case, except for the one in Hawaii, is solely about the birth certificate. ALL cases other than this were about stopping the election. Even Keyes v Obama is still a request for a Writ of Mandate about the election.
Also, Hawaii has issued a legal document, a Certification of Live Birth, which is the ONLY birth record it issues anymore. It does NOT issue copies of the original document. (A court order could get the original, of course, but no court has asked for it.)
(1) The Certification of Live Birth is THE official birth certificate, it shows that he was born in Hawaii, and it is legally sufficient to prove it; and
(2) Unless he has kept the original birth certificate and not mislaid it, all that he can post is what Hawaii will send him, which is only the Certification of Live Birth, which is what he has already posted.
Now, I suspect you will ask the next logical question, how do I know that Hawaii only sends out the Certification of Live Birth and will NOT send out original birth certificates even if you ask for it? The answer is that I asked them repeatedly, and the answer has always been: “We send out only the Certification of Live Birth.” You can check, by asking your own questions by e-mail at vr-info@doh.hawaii.gov.
Oh my goodness, I remember talking to a reporter of the Hawaii Free Press. They do have a chip on their shoulder.
Humor aside, Skylla you are sidestepping the AG issue by pointing to the constitution citizenship question. You sarcastically said it is a sensible question. In the court, we have an objection called, “Asked and Answered,” meaning the court should and would dismiss the same point disguised in other wording. Aksed and Answered eliminated the attempt to make a question a political/rhetorical point. Your question was sensible until the State of Hawaii issued the certification. Since the Senate and the House on U.S. Capitol took no objection, the Chief Justice swore Obama in. To reprise: U.S. Congress did not object, thus allowing the Judiciary branch to affirm the executive chief to his new post. Balance of Power at work, just as the Framers have envisioned.
Your question stopped becoming sensible when you are beating the same drum line expecting some sort of change. Not going to happen. AYou know what Einstein about insanity? you already know.
You can’t defend the AG’s being the White House’s top council using the Constituon. There is no position of such when the Founders put together the document. Much like the Sec. of Agriculture and Education, these cabinet positions were invented long after. At the time of the Consitution framing, only the Sec. of War (Defense), Treasury-like position, and State. Treasury-like was seated by Hamilton and State had Jefferson.
Yes, the White House has many councils, but not one is more authoritative than the AG. His work is at the intersection of Congress, WH, and Court. That is why Congress has the Senate Judiciary Committee to over sighting the DoJ. This is why Janet Reno, and now Eric Holden, were the targets during Clinton years. So fort and so forth.
Re: You can’t defend the AG’s being the White House’s top council using the Constituon.
I don’t understand what this discussion is about. The Obama cases are being fought by private law firms, which are being paid for out of leftover campaign contributions.
Let’s summarize.
(1) Obama was not born in Kenya. His grandmother never said that he was born in Kenya. In fact, the complete tape shows that she said that he was born in Hawaii.
(2) Obama was born in Hawaii. The official Certification of Live Birth of Hawaii shows that he was born in Hawaii, and there is no provision in Hawaii law to allow the document to lie about the place of birth.
(3) Obama was never a citizen of Indonesia, nor did he ever receive an Indonesian passport.
This is a dif. thread in the same vein of the allegation that Obama is uing tax dollars to defend himself when he is not supposed to.
Even if there is campaign money left, the AG still works for him and the DoJ would step into the light.
This is a dif. thread in the same vein of the allegation that Obama is uing tax dollars to defend himself when he is not supposed to.
I see your point, but it is theoretical, so far. All the cases have been by private law firms,and the money behind them comes from the campaign money left over.
Comment by smrstrauss on February 23, 2009 1:30 am
I haven’t seen any response to this:
(also changing 1961 to 1981, which was the time of the visit.)
Re “I suppose that you will also deny that he was ever in Pakistan.”
Not at all. He traveled there on a US passport. (It wasn’t illegal for us to travel to Pakistan in 1981, and the Pakistanis did NOT block USA citizens from going there. I even read a 1981 travel article recommending visiting Pakistan).
How do I know that he traveled on a USA passport? Because he NEVER had an Indonesian passport. You can call up the Indonesian Embassy in Washington and ask them. I did. The telephone number is: (202) 775-5200. I recommend asking for the Press Office.
By the way, it was never illegal for US citizens to travel to Pakistan. Pakistan never refused to accept visits from US citizens. In 1981 there were even flights by Pakistan International Airlines from New York to Karachi.